CHURCH SECRETS REVEALED: The 18 Hidden Years Of Jesus & Mary Magdalene – India, Tibet & Nazarenes

The Historical Context of Jesus’ Teachings

Aaron: This is the most epic history ever. If you’re a Jesus fan, you want to know this stuff. The Catholic Church erased all of this from the history books. It’s the big scandal at the heart of Christianity. All the truths are coming to light. It really is an awakening that’s happening, almost like the Akashic records unlocking, and now the floodgates have been opened. I think that’s what the second coming really means: the awakening, the discovery of the real message of Jesus. Religion corrupts and weaponizes Jesus. When you go to Jesus himself, you just don’t see that same character that religion paints. There’s no question in my mind that there’s more to the story than we’ve been told by Christianity with Jesus and Mary. Just like Yeshua represents the Shiva principle—the divine masculine—Mary would serve as the Shakti. Jesus probably did have a child. There’s really good evidence. There’s no question what Jesus’s soteriology was. Jesus is explicit about this, which in a nutshell is…

I’m a third-generation pastor’s son. I became a full-time pastor at 23 after graduating from Oral Roberts University with my bachelor’s in theology. I’m working on my master’s in biblical studies right now. Then I got my first church job for a year. I had this huge awakening out of religion. I realized I just can’t reconcile these contradictions anymore. More importantly, I don’t believe in this version of God you’re preaching. I don’t think this is the God that Jesus revealed. Leaving my religion was like the worst breakup you can imagine, because this runs in my family. I spent my whole life in church, and I loved church. It really was my life, my whole identity. So talk about an identity crisis when I had to leave religion. But that identity crisis drove me to find answers. One of the things I did was start to read, because I saw how much religion corrupts and weaponizes Jesus. When you go to Jesus himself, you just don’t see that same character that religion paints. So I thought, let me just study the teachings of Jesus in isolation. What if I just didn’t have any other writings other than the four canonical gospels? Let’s say you gave these four gospels to a remote desert tribe on an island who’s never heard of Christianity, translated into their language, and said, “Hey, read these four gospels about this man named Jesus. Tell me what you think.”

Are they going to come away with the mainstream Christian creeds that are believed and practiced by 99.9% of Christians today, such as: to be saved, you must confess Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, and his sacrifice will wipe away your sins so you won’t go to hell when you die? They would absolutely never come away with such a conclusion, because Jesus never said any such thing. When you look for these common Christian axioms—which all really come from Paul, not Jesus—you don’t find them in Jesus’s mouth. You can’t find any such soteriology that remotely resembles the Christian religion today. To this criticism, Christians like to handwave it away and say, “Oh, you’re just cherry-picking.” To them, I say, “How can you not recognize what a massive problem this is? That you have none of the pillars of your religion from the mouth of Jesus?” We all know that history over time distorts, corrupts, erases, changes, and adulterates truth, and original texts get changed by scribes in every tradition we know of. Are we really so sure that Jesus’s words, tradition, and ideals didn’t get changed by dogmatic men over the centuries? Because if they did, we should really want to know. That’s maybe my biggest frustration and why I’m so passionate about this message. Hey, I grew up loving Jesus with all my heart, as Christians claim to. Jesus was the most important thing to me since I can remember. Jesus was the reason I left religion. The first YouTube video I made about it was titled “Why I Left Christianity for Jesus,” because I didn’t believe Christianity was giving me a Christlike version of Jesus. I get a little frustrated with Christians who try to dismiss this criticism of mine rather than taking it seriously and saying, “Hey, this guy is saying that the true original teachings of Yeshua the Nazarene—Jesus Christ we call him now—were changed and corrupted over time. If we love this man and believe he was sent from God, the Messiah, the son of God, shouldn’t we at least look into this and see if it’s true? Isn’t that what a real disciple would do?”

That’s what I did. What I found is that Jesus taught a very specific soteriology, which is a branch of theology that teaches about how to get saved. What does it mean to be saved? How does one get saved? Jesus is explicit about this. There’s no question what Jesus’s soteriology was, which in a nutshell is: repent and God forgives you. The end. Jesus never taught about God needing blood to forgive people. In fact, Jesus very much condemned the practice of animal sacrifice and famously cleanses the temple, kicks all the animals out of their cages, and says, “Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice.” If you knew what this meant, you wouldn’t be condemning the innocent, speaking of the animals. So Jesus didn’t seem very cool with the idea that God needs blood and never taught such a thing. He said, “Repent with a humble heart and you go up justified before God.” He taught this in numerous parables. When he was asked directly, “Rabbi, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”—this is the question, the savior has been asked the most important question one can ask a savior—what does he say? Does he say what a Christian would say? What an evangelical pastor would say on Sundays? What a Catholic priest would say at mass? He says something that I’ve never heard a Christian say. He says something I’ve never heard a Christian pastor, priest, or bishop say. In fact, if you said what Jesus said in a church Sunday service and preached a sermon about it, the crowd would rise up and point the finger of blasphemy at you. But here’s what he said: “If you want to enter eternal life, keep the commandments.”

In Matthew’s version, he lists the five “love your neighbor” commandments: don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t lie, etc. He finishes by saying, “And love your neighbor as yourself.” In a parallel passage, when he’s asked, “Teacher, what is the greatest commandment of all?”—aka, how do you get saved?—he says, “The greatest commandment of all is love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength,” the Jewish Shema from Deuteronomy 6. “And love your neighbor as yourself. If you do these—this one thing, really—you fulfill the entire law. On this hangs the entire law and the prophets.” How do you get that twisted? Clearly, this is what Jesus thought. Curiously, if a pastor ever said, “You get saved by keeping the commandments,” he’d be called a heretic. But that’s what Jesus said. If you put the words of a Christian pastor in the mouth of Jesus, you have big problems. Or let’s say Paul—Romans 10:9—Paul says if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved. Jesus says not everybody who confesses me as Lord will enter my kingdom. Many will come to me in that day and say, “Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name and do mighty works in your name?” He says, “I will look at them and say, depart from me, you who practice evil, for when I was hungry you didn’t feed me. When I was thirsty, you didn’t give me a drink. When you did not do it to the least of these, you did not do it to me.”

That seems like a pretty scathing rebuke from the master. Don’t just think you can confess me as Lord and enter my kingdom. You better follow my greatest commandment or I don’t know who you are. That’s the overall message we’re trying to get across in the Jesus Way podcast to not just the Christian world, but the world at large. Because I think the true Jesus—Yeshua the Nazarene, which has a whole other history track we can talk about—is a Jesus that everyone from every religion would totally rock with and say, “I love that kind of savior. I love that kind of Messiah who teaches: love God, love your neighbor, forgive to be forgiven, repent, and God forgives you, keep the commandments.” Who’s got a problem with that? That’s a unifying religion, if you want to call it one. I definitely don’t want to start a new religion, but this is a unifying belief system. This is kind of how Islam sees Jesus: that he was a messiah who came from God, taught to love God and love neighbor, and got crucified for it. This is what the Jewish Christians believed for four or five centuries before the Roman Catholic Church extinguished them. The world’s ready for this message. I really believe that, and we’re excited to deliver it with each and every podcast we record.

Amrit: I would love to learn more about Yeshua the Nazarene. You said this interesting phrase: religion corrupts and weaponizes Jesus. What did you exactly mean by that?

Aaron: When you look at the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the Roman Empire, the tradition that won out was not even the first tradition, nor the second Christian tradition, but the third. It just so happened to be the most powerful because it had the might of the Roman Empire behind it. Politically driven. The very first Christians were called Nazarenes. This is attested to by multiple patristics, early church fathers as early as the 3rd century, who say that the very first Christians were not called Christians—they were called Nazarenes, just like Jesus. There is an enormous amount of secular and historical proof of this Nazarene sect that shows it actually predated Christ. In other words, Yeshua was born into a sect of Essene-type Judaism called Nazarenes. Certain historians show that the Essenes eventually bifurcated into two camps by the first century: the Qumran Essenes to the south and the Nazarenes to the north. The major dividing issue was over celibacy and marriage. The Nazarenes believed in marriage and reproduction to populate God’s kingdom with children. The Qumran Essenes believed that sex was the ultimate vice for man and must be avoided at all costs to be truly holy. They would adopt children and were very generous in adopting, but they didn’t procreate. There were no women there. These are the two sects of Essenes. Jesus is born into the northern tribe and comes out of the Galilean Nazareth region. What’s interesting is when you study the Nazarenes and especially the Essenes, you see Jesus speaking and preaching multiple known Essene creeds and axioms from the Dead Sea Scrolls. This Essene-type Judaism was actually what Jesus emerged from, and his sect emerged from. So the first Christians were the Nazarenes. We have an enormous amount of historical attestation that Jesus did not appoint Peter as his successor, as the Catholic Church wrongly claims. Jesus appointed his blood brother, James the Just, as his successor of his church, which was called the Ebionim, the poor ones or the poor.

This is why Jesus would say, “If you want to be my disciple, go sell all you possess to the Ebionim, the poor”—which was actually the name of his congregation—and then come follow me. It was like the initiation into Jesus’s movement: “If you want to prove to us that you really mean what you say”—and this is very Essene; the Essenes had multiple initiation rites people had to pass to prove they really wanted to be an Essene. There was like a three-year waiting period that Philo talks about. You had to really be serious about converting to Essenism. They weren’t just going to take anybody off the streets because they wanted to keep their tradition very pure. So it’s very Essene of Jesus to do this. He was vetting people, saying if you’re really serious about this, prove it by giving up all you possess to our community. Acts chapter 2 tells us this was the way Jesus’s church was operating: living in voluntary poverty or communal living where everyone shared everything. No one had private possessions, so there was endless abundance for everybody, but it was shared abundance. Jesus is saying you have to play by our rules. James took over that church for Jesus until almost 70 AD when he gets martyred. Then James, according to multiple early historical attestations, appointed his brother and Jesus’s half-brother Simeon as his successor. Simeon led the church well into the early 2nd century, around 115 AD, when he got martyred. Philo and Josephus both say that the average age of an Essene in their time was over a hundred years, maybe 120. These ascetic Jews were extremely healthy, following natural law, bathing in the river twice a day, eating only the fruits of the land, fasting regularly. Hegesippus, quoting from a Jewish Christian historian, tells the story of Simeon’s martyrdom: when Simeon was captured by the Romans and tortured and killed at 120 years old.

This is the most epic history ever. If you’re a Jesus fan, you want to know this stuff—that Jesus had a half-brother, the son of his uncle Clopas, who then most likely married Mary after Joseph died, and they had a child together, Simeon. He was righteous enough that James appointed him as his successor over any of the other disciples. This guy lived to be 120 years old and was running the Nazarene church of Jesus and James at that age. He must have had pretty good mental acuity. The Romans were impressed by how much torture he endured before he died because he was very healthy despite being old. This is the half-brother of Jesus. There was way more enlightenment in Jesus’s DNA than just went to Jesus. The Catholic Church erased all of this from the history books. You’ll never be taught this at a Catholic or Christian school, university, or church. It’s the big scandal at the heart of Christianity that the first Christians were Jewish Christian Nazarenes who did not believe Jesus was God who incarnated like a Greek demigod like Apollo or Perseus. They were not Greco-Roman Gentiles. They were Semitic Jews who believed in the Messiah, the Mashiach, who was prophesied in the scriptures to be the son of David—of the lineage of David—a real person like you and I, chosen by God and anointed by God. This is what all the Jewish Christian groups believed up until the fourth or fifth century before they were wiped out. Then the second church tradition that came after them was not the Catholics but the Gnostics.

The Gnostics were a massive populist Christian movement in the Mediterranean region. Most scholars and historians I’ve studied agree that for a certain period, there would have been more Gnostic Christians than Orthodox Christians. At that time, it was like the Wild West of theology: everyone’s trying to decide what to believe about this guy and this Christian message. The Gnostics say this, the Orthodox say that, the Jewish Christians think they’re both heretics. Which tradition is going to win out? Because the Catholic Church had the might of the Roman Empire and could weaponize law, they outlawed Nazarene Christianity as “Judaizing,” saying you can’t practice any form of Judaism and be a Christian or your property will be seized and you could be executed for it. All the Nazarene Christians had to flee from the Roman Empire and go find somewhere else to live. You couldn’t practice Nazarene Christianity after that period under Pope Damasus. Jesus is listed in the Bible, in the New Testament, as Jesus the Nazarene. His sect is mentioned in Acts 24:5 as the Nazarene sect, the followers of the way. Now we’re persecuting the Nazarenes, calling them heretics, wiping them out of history, and burning their books. That seems strange. Unfortunately, we lost almost all of the literature from this incredible initial first Christian tradition, the Nazarenes. We have just little scraps and morsels surviving. But even those tell an explosively different story than the one we’ve been given.

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The Role of Women in Early Christianity

Amrit: Interestingly, you mentioned the enlightened DNA within that lineage. Do you think there are descendants of Christ alive today?

Aaron: If I had to bet, yeah, I think Jesus probably did have a child. There’s really good evidence for this in something that a good friend of mine, Dr. James Tabor, was part of: the discovery called the Talpiot Tomb. It was a big documentary they released around 2006 or 2010. Essentially, in Israel, they were building apartment buildings, and the foundation broke and collapsed into this underground cave system. It’s very common that Jews in ancient Judaism would bury people in caves and bone ossuaries. They called some archaeologists: “We think we found a grave. Let’s check it out.” They were stunned because all the bone boxes in the ossuary had the exact names of Jesus’s family and his brothers as listed in the Gospels. It has one for Yeshua ben Yosef (Jesus, son of Joseph), Mary of Magdala, and then their child—I think it was Joshua or Jacob, something with a J. It lists Jesus’s brothers. There’s one missing: the ossuary of James, his brother. Interestingly, there’s been an ossuary of James floating around the antiquities market for a while. Many scholars have looked at it and tried to find out if it’s legitimate, and it seems like it is, but nobody can track down its origins. Dr. Tabor and his group had the idea to test the molecular DNA of the bacteria growing on the side of the ossuary—there was fossilized bacteria because it’s very old, clearly in a cave for many centuries. They cross-tested that with the Talpiot Tomb cave to see if it matches, because bacteria always match in the same area; if you move too far, the bacteria DNA is different. They cross-referenced it, and sure enough, perfect match. That’s where James’s ossuary was. Some grave robber removed it to sell on the market. In any case, there are little bone fragments in them. They did DNA tests on some and found remarkable things like Semitic DNA from the first century; they carbon-dated it. Everything honed in on this being a legitimate first-century bone box with all these names of the Jesus family. Right when they were making ground on it, the Jewish authorities came and said, “We’re shutting this down. It’s against Jewish custom to dig up a grave.” They covered over the grave, sealed it, and built apartments over it. No one’s allowed to investigate it anymore. It’s tragic. There was so much more evidence to go through, but that’s just a snippet. Again, that tomb showed that if this was the legitimate family tomb of the Jesus dynasty, it shows that they did have a child, Mary and Jesus.

Amrit: Whoa. That implies that the narrative between Mary and Jesus is very different then as well.

Aaron: Yeah. There’s early fragments of texts like the Gospel of Jesus’s Wife, which talks about Mary being Jesus’s wife. Christianity does the same thing with basically anything outside the canonical New Testament: they say, “It’s just a Gnostic forgery from the third century.” But the problem is that the New Testament is full of known forgeries from the second century. They have nothing better in textual tradition than the Gnostics do. Scholars study these things because they care what the earliest attestations say about Jesus, even if conflicting. We want the truth and history. Scholars study these Gnostic texts found at Nag Hammadi and other dig sites. They say what people were saying about Jesus and his family. The earliest attestations, like in the Gospel of Jesus’s Wife and the Gospel of Mary, clearly show them as husband and wife. I’ve always found it curious in the canonical gospels: Mary’s in every single scene. Mary’s the only disciple who came to Jesus’s crucifixion. All the men abandoned him. Yet there’s Mary, Jesus’s mother, and one of Jesus’s brothers in one of the gospels. Mary’s there at the tomb when Jesus resurrects; in Mark, she’s the first to see the empty tomb. Why was this woman hanging around Jesus so much in the first century? If she’s not Jesus’s wife, people would have at least suspected and asked questions. But if she was so open about always being with Jesus at every meeting, every event, pre-death, post-death, she probably was his wife. If you’re going to sell the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin and was himself a virgin, never sexually tainted, you have to get her out of there as fast as possible and obfuscate her. One way they did that was by making her the woman that Jesus saves in John chapter 8.

There’s a number of known interpolations in the New Testament—passages added much later, with manuscript evidence to prove it. The earliest copies of the Gospel of John do not have the story of the woman caught in adultery. It’s a bummer because I love that passage; it’s one of the best Jesus passages: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” It was added in the third century. There’s evidence that the very first gospel written in Hebrew, the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew, had a passage like this that one of the church fathers writes about: Jesus saves a woman from persecution. It might go back to a real story. But the point is that Christianity said, “That woman caught in adultery was Mary.” Mary was a prostitute that Jesus saved. Can you imagine Jesus marrying a prostitute? It’s a very staunch religious way of obfuscating the truth. No Christian is going to want to believe that Jesus married a prostitute. The fact is Mary wasn’t a prostitute. She was probably a very dignified woman from a wealthy family. Dr. Tabor talks a lot about this in his book, The Jesus Dynasty. She was probably a high-level respectable woman, involved in a lot of the mystical arts and Nazarene Christian ceremonies and temple meetings. Mary probably delved into white magic-type things like thought-creating reality, psychic principles. There’s no question in my mind that there’s more to the story than we’ve been told by Christianity with Jesus and Mary. If you get rid of the virgin birth and so forth, it makes no sense to posit that she wasn’t romantically involved with Yeshua.

Amrit: It’s really interesting at this juncture in the conversation. I can’t help but reflect on the Ramayana. There’s this story of Ram and Ravana, and Sita is taken from Ram. At face value for most people, the story of the Ramayana is about Ram and Ravana—the forces of good and evil, light and darkness. But actually, once you get into the metaphysical nature, a lot of the story is about Sita, the feminine and the dance of the feminine. Interestingly here, you’ve got this layer of the feminine that’s not what meets the eye at face value. They have gone out of their way to erase this feminine aspect. Do you think that reflects the time in terms of the patriarchy? What do you think metaphysically that speaks to in terms of the feminine suppression there?

The Feminine Aspect in Spiritual Narratives

Aaron: Of course it speaks to that. Additionally, it speaks to a lot of Paul’s theology. This is tricky because only seven of the 13 Pauline epistles in the New Testament were actually written by Paul, according to most scholars—this is the consensus. Six are undoubtedly forgeries from the second century, pseudepigraphical works put in Paul’s name. It’s more in those pseudepigraphical works that you get this anti-feminine, misogynistic, patriarchal take. Paul is quoted as saying—and whoever forged 1 Timothy could have been pulling from other Pauline letters or quoting what he believed—in 1 Timothy: “If a woman wants to speak in church, she should cover her head first, for it’s shameful for a woman to speak in church. If a woman has a question, she should keep her mouth shut and ask her husband at home, for it’s shameful for a woman to speak in church.” There’s even the idea that if a woman speaks in church or prophesies, her husband must stand behind her as her covering. He says, “Because we must remember Eve ate the apple first and then deceived Adam.” They believed the feminine was deceptive in the story of humanity and must be underneath the masculine for protection—we have to keep that feminine subdued. There’s some truth to the idea that women are more psychic and talented at mind tricks and manipulation, but that’s more a product of the patriarchy. Because women are the physically inferior gender, if dominated by men, what are they going to do? Go to war with men? No, they don’t have that ability. They have to find other means of gaining power. Over history, women have gotten intuitively intelligent with emotional understanding and manipulation. Women had to learn how to psychologically manipulate men for their own survival. It’s good they developed that ability, but the church and religion have weaponized that against the feminine: “Women can’t be trusted. They’re too emotional. They’re crazy.” So men have to rule and lead. That patriarchal belief system about the feminine being inherently dangerous has largely led to the covering up of Mary and Jesus clearly having a sexual relationship and producing children like every other normal human being. These are the things that make Jesus better and more inspiring, not less.

The Relatable Jesus

Aaron: I can’t be inspired by a person I can’t relate to in any way—a person who never has a sexual experience or temptation, transcends all the ego’s blind spots, and ascends to heaven. Great for you, but I’m still trapped in third density, suffering and struggling, not doing everything perfect. I make mistakes and learn from them, and God uses them for my good. I want a Jesus like that—a real person who grapples with the human experience and meets us in the dirt, eyeball to eyeball, saying, “I understand your temptation. I understand your pain.” The inspiring thing is that Jesus did experience all that and transcended it through his God consciousness and devotion to God. He set the model for all of us. He is the archetype, the blueprint of what is possible for a human being in a human lifetime. You can live fully from your heart, from love, aware of that all-loving intelligence which surrounds us all. You don’t have to live in blindness to that truth anymore because Jesus showed the way and taught how to do it. This is why in our podcast we stress that it is the teachings of Jesus that matter most, not beliefs about him or doctrines and theologies about his metaphysical nature. Those are far secondary to his actual teachings and pointings to God. Would any Christian deny that Jesus already showed us the perfect way to God and his teachings are that way? A Christian would have a hard time disagreeing. Yet their belief system is predicated on disagreeing with it. None of that stuff can save you. You can’t go to heaven just by forgiving everyone and not judging. You can’t go to heaven just by loving your neighbor as yourself. You’re going to burn in hell if you don’t confess Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. I really think that’s a message Jesus would find reprehensible if he were alive today and found out what became of his teachings. He would tear his garment in half and say, “This is blasphemy. This is not what I came to teach. I came to point to the one God, not to become the one God and be worshiped as a deity.” It would make Jesus throw up in his mouth.

Christ Consciousness and Its Implications

Amrit: Can I get my bearings with you? Do you see there being metaphysically Christ consciousness, and then Jesus being an embodiment, an avatar, solely of Christ consciousness? The reason I ask is: is Mary Magdalene like a feminine portal to Christ consciousness? Can you help me orient myself here a little bit?

Aaron: It’s a great question, the stuff I like talking about most. We actually just recorded a podcast called “What is Christ Consciousness?” It will be coming out next week on The Jesus Way. What we explain is: what is the Christ? In John 1, it says in the beginning was the logos, the word; the word was with God. Christians equate that to Christ: in the beginning was Christ, and all things were made through him; without him, not one thing was made. If that’s true, that passage says all things, all people, came into being through Christ. That’s a powerful statement, one I agree with. All beings come into being through Christ. So what is Christ? To me, Christ is the divine idea of man in the mind of God. If God is perfect and omniscient, all of God’s thoughts are perfect. God is incapable of imperfection. Everything God does must be perfect in its own way—different expressions of that infinite perfection. If that’s true, God must have a perfect idea of man in God’s mind: the archetype, the blueprint we’re all supposed to shoot for. That is what the Christ represents—almost like the teleological man, the final cause, the final rendition of what man is meant to be or capable of being. When we call Jesus the Christ, metaphysically, we’re saying the man Jesus is our best example or embodiment of the Christ principle—the closest place to go to look, learn, and study what the Christ looks like in living demonstration: Jesus Yeshua the Nazarene. It’s not a title of deity because Yeshua was a real person like us. Otherwise, the Christ has no meaning if he’s not like us. He was a man who realized this truth within himself: God’s perfect ideal of man—the most righteous, loving ideal—is in me now, and I can actualize it by living according to God’s law and communing with God daily. He gradually, over a long lifetime of spiritual seeking—he definitely went to the East and studied those traditions, came back later—learned how to embody and live it. He was obviously a very advanced soul. The Law of One says that Yeshua’s soul chose the path of martyrdom because he wanted to go into this fallen world of the first century and act as a catalyst to change it—it was so broken and lost with the temple sacrifice system, the temple cult running everything. Jesus wanted to do something drastic to shake it up: “I’ll go give my life.” I think it’s worth considering that Jesus’s true mission and purpose might have been very different than what religion has sold us. Because you can’t find anywhere in Jesus’s mouth: “I’m going to die for your sins.” Then what was his real message or purpose? Jesus preaches about the kingdom of heaven coming now—it’s already here and at hand, but we must live and demonstrate it. Right there, Jesus is trying to be the model, which is the Christ.

Mary Magdalene and the Divine Feminine

Aaron: The fact that Mary was likely Jesus’s partner—Yeshua the person—just like Yeshua represents the Christ principle in that he embodied it closest, we could consider the Shiva principle, the divine masculine. Mary would serve as the Shakti in the Christian tradition. It’s important to have those archetypes because Eastern religions do this very well. The monotheistic Abrahamic religions call it blasphemy and polytheism. But Eastern traditions have a more sophisticated ontology than Christianity. They understand the divine at a deeper level. Although they believe there’s one God—Brahman—that God is infinite and expresses in infinite ways, tangible in our lives. It’s good to name those and understand them as functions of the creator. You have all the gods and goddesses of the Hindu tradition—none of which a true Hindu believes is a real deity worthy of worship. They’re worshiping an aspect of the true deity, Brahman; it’s all archetypes of Brahman. Christianity could mimic that and benefit. The 12 disciples could serve as archetypes. Many have distinct ones: James the Just, Thomas the wisdom principle—he was Thomas the Wise, and the Gospel of Thomas is mind-blowing non-duality, true spiritual genius. If that went back to Thomas, the nickname lives up to the hype. Mary: divine feminine. We can use other Christian figures and symbols to express these archetypes from a Christian perspective. That would greatly enrich people’s understanding of the Christian tradition.

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The Three Beliefs of Ego

Amrit: Talking about 12 positive archetypes in that realm. You recently wrote a book called The Three Beliefs of Ego, and there are some interesting archetypes in there. Can you talk about the shadow archetypes you explore in that book?

Aaron: I’d love to. The book is out next week, but you can pre-order it already. This is the summation of my main teachings, which I teach on YouTube and in my courses at 4D University. It revolves around this understanding called the three beliefs of ego. On this topic of Jesus, the last chapter is titled “Jesus and the Three Beliefs.” I go through Jesus’s temptation in the wilderness—the 40 days—and show how each of the three temptations of Satan is a perfect representation of the three beliefs, one by one. Jesus transcends them in similar ways I teach in the book. The basic three-belief structure is lack, attachment, and control. These are the three turning points around which the ego revolves—the only three real functions the ego has, and the only three ways we create separation from God in our mind and awareness. We believe “I am lacking” first. When I come into a body and undergo the veil of forgetting, with no memory of my soul, past lives, or the universe, the ego is born out of that ignorance. It’s a survival adaptation of the mind: let me create an identity to know myself and where I come from. It’s a protection mechanism—very good and noble. But as soon as you believe “I am truly a separate isolated character in the universe—there’s me and then the universe, and I don’t know if the universe is kind; it might be cruel and dangerous”—you’re believing you’re separate from the womb in which you exist: the universe. Once you believe you’re separate, these three beliefs flow out: if I’m separate, I must be lacking in some way. All human beings come pre-installed with these beliefs. The biggest is “there’s something in me that’s fundamentally missing; I’m incomplete.” We don’t know what it is, but we search for it through pleasure and chasing outcomes.

The second belief is attachment: my happiness depends on outcomes; happiness is outside of me. I’ve got to go into the world and find happiness in positive, pleasurable outcomes—I call it outcome happiness. That leads to the third belief: personal agency, or belief in free will to an extent. I mean total, complete, autonomous free will in every way. The ego believes it has that and acts as if true, when it’s clearly not. The person, the ego, is not in control of life—the person is a product of life. Life is living through the person; life is the greater power. There’s nothing a person can do to fight reality, resist, and make things happen in their favor other than as the universe wills. We live under the mistaken assumption that I’m controlling how my life goes—I can make good things happen and avoid bad things. It continually fails to prove itself. No matter how much I try to avoid bad outcomes and suffering, they come. No matter how hard I chase what I want, it eludes me. We have to recognize at some point: I’m not in control of life or the universe. I’m in cooperation with life, co-creating, part of it all, connected. That’s how you transcend the third belief. So lack, attachment, control are the three beliefs.

I’ll finish by showing the parallels in the 40 days in the wilderness. The first temptation: “If you are the son of God, command these stones to become bread to satiate your hunger.” The devil is asking Jesus to prove he’s not lacking. “You’ve been out here 30 days; you look emaciated. Prove you’re not starving.” Jesus responds: “Man does not live by physical bread alone, but by the bread of God.” He appeals to the higher dimension. The next: Satan takes him to the top of a mountain, shows the surveying landscape of Jerusalem: “If you worship and serve me, all this kingdom will be yours—riches, wealth, fame, women.” There’s the second belief: outcome happiness outside of me. Jesus quotes scripture to transcend it. The third: He takes him to the top of the temple and tempts Jesus to throw himself off: “If you are the son of God, prove it by throwing yourself off and saving yourself. Doesn’t scripture say he’ll take his angels’ charge concerning you?” Jesus says: “It is written: you shall not put the Lord your God to the test.” Again, he appeals to higher truth. That third temptation is the belief in control: prove you can control and save your own life. It’s uncanny how the Bible documents these three archetypal beliefs all humans grapple with. Really nifty.

Amrit: Those are really deep stories hidden there. The way you’ve articulated them through those three mental vices makes it so clear and clean to work with. I appreciate that. There’s the 40 days in the wilderness. We had the intention to discuss this. At some point, Jesus—because in India there’s awareness around Issa the Messiah—yet it doesn’t seem widely received that Jesus was in India. Jesus might have been in Egypt. They call it the lost years of Jesus. What do you know about those lost years?

The Lost Years of Jesus

Aaron: It’s a very interesting topic. There’s a good book called Jesus in India where the author did a lifetime’s worth of research, traveling to the East, searching regions with legends of Jesus, and finds a stunning amount of evidence. He mentions at the beginning what I think is the best piece: from a Russian explorer named Nicholas Notovich, who wrote The Hidden Life of Issa. He goes to a Tibetan monastery in China and talks to a lama who mentions something about Jesus or Issa. Notovich asks: “Do you have any legend of Issa coming here?” The lama says: “Yeah, there’s a scroll that documents Issa coming to this monastery. Unfortunately, we have 80,000 manuscripts, so it would take a long time to dig it up.” Notovich is bummed but heads back. Not far away, his horse breaks its ankle, falls, and crushes his femur. In agony, the closest place is the monastery, so he returns. The monks help him in. The head lama hears and says: “That’s tragic. I have just the thing to cheer him up.” He orders monks to dig through the library for the hidden life of Issa. Notovich is holed up there for weeks waiting for his femur to heal. They find the scroll, written in Tibetan. A translator reads it to him in English. He asks: “Can I write this down?” “Sure.” He gives the full story as in the Tibetan scroll, which claims to date to the early 2nd century. If anyone’s interested in the missing years, read it—it smacks of the Yeshua we know: the brash, Pharisee-opposing rabbi preacher calling out hypocrisy, stirring crowds.

That’s what Issa does everywhere in this text. He goes to Persia with the Zoroastrians, studies, finds their hypocrisies, calls them out. Sun worship was happening in Zoroastrianism; he says: “Why teach people to worship the sun as a god when it’s the one God who makes the sun?” His followers say: “The priests are unhappy and coming to kill you; get out.” He escapes just before, like in the canonical gospels. He goes to Tibet, India, calls out the Brahmins for idol worship, subjugating lower castes to make idols for cheap labor: “A bunch of hypocrites.” The Brahmins come to kill him; he bounces. He ends up in Tibet for six years. That’s exactly how I’d expect Yeshua to behave if traveling and studying other traditions. Why give preferential treatment he didn’t give his own Jewish people? He called out hypocrisy vehemently against his Jewish companions. Why not abroad? That’s the theme: he wasn’t welcome anywhere. It makes you wonder if that’s what Jesus meant in the synoptics: “Birds have nests and foxes have holes, but the son of man has nowhere to lay his head.” Sounds like a guy kicked out of a lot of clubs.

Amrit: Interesting reflection. Jesus seems more Aquarian in energy than Piscean, which is the fish symbol his followers ended up with.

Aaron: I agree. It’s fascinating.

Persecution and Spiritual Growth

Amrit: I wanted to talk a little bit, if it’s okay—this is personal, so it’s okay if you don’t want to go there. Jesus has this rebellious energy for the truth. With the work you’re doing—The Jesus Way, The Three Beliefs of Ego, championing this—you’ve come up against theologians quite a bit. Do you ever worry for your well-being? How are you navigating this?

Aaron: It hasn’t come to that yet, thankfully, and I don’t think it will. I see it as a good sign: those people are threatened by this message, which means they find it potentially truthful, and that bothers them—it implies they’re in the less truthful tradition. I get it. Those subconscious tells are a net positive. I’d be worried if nobody was concerned with what I’m teaching. It comes with the territory. The other factor: I’m not trying to convert anyone. If you’re a hardline fundamentalist Christian, cool—if it works for you, great. I don’t need to change your belief system, and I’m not threatened by yours. I have no need to attack your beliefs. But why does everyone come on my page to attack and call me heretic? It’s because the message is getting through. Jesus said: “You’re going to be persecuted for my sake.” When I was a Christian, I was never persecuted. No one had a problem. It wasn’t controversial. Jesus said his way is archetypally controversial. He said: “I didn’t come to bring peace but a sword”—a division. “A mother and daughter will be separated in their own household; a father and a son.” Clearly, spiritual beliefs divide families. Most Christian friends who left were disowned by parents. Jesus said this brings conflicts, and you’ll be persecuted if really following his teachings. I take that to heart. I want to be worthy of that persecution, bear that cross with humility, not return hate for hate, but overcome evil with good. “Forgive them, Father; they know not what they do.” For that reason, the onslaught of Christian persecution has become one of my staple spiritual practices. Almost the most important thing I can do today is overcome resistance, judgments, need to attack. Those urges arise sometimes. I try to take full advantage. I wouldn’t be able to do this deep excavation of my soul—finding unconditional love and forgiveness for all—without this catalyst, these people being my mirror every day. I’m grateful, even though challenging. Our souls came here to be challenged, not for an easy ride. I consider this something my soul signed up for: experience persecution for speaking truth. As a soul lesson, step up and do your best.

Amrit: What I’m hearing is it brings you closer to Christ for yourself.

Aaron: Without question.

Amrit: The discourses online have been interesting to watch and receive. Because it’s theology, it’s deep—the grounds you cover. But one thing that communicates volumes beyond what’s discussed (which can be difficult to track in the weeds of narratives) is the embodiment of love and care as you’re having these conversations. I just want to reflect that back to you. It means a lot—you may or may not be aware as you go through the dance. Not to put you on a pedestal, but there’s something really deep about what you’re sharing, and as you take this on, it’s profound to witness.

Aaron: Thank you, that’s a beautiful compliment. That comes up often from people in comments: “What I love about you guys is you embody these teachings.” Even before The Jesus Way, on my YouTube videos, I hear: “I love Aaron because he’s so embodied.” As grateful as I am, my question is: how could you possibly know that? It must be a quality that comes through. It’s not something I register, because as someone committed to spiritual growth, you overdo self-examination—always looking for mistakes. What’s not a mistake passes through; what’s true is true. Let’s go for what’s false. I’m always looking for weaknesses and blind spots. That’s a critical component of embodiment. But it saddens me sometimes because I want to see myself the way others see me. There’s something important—not to let it go to your ego, but to see the gifts and expression people love. It would help with self-love, authenticity, owning who I am. I’m excited to expand in that area. We all do this on the spiritual path: hyperfocus on mistakes so we can’t see our light. Even though it’s there, we can’t see it. There’s something important about seeing your light in terms of embodiment.

Host Note: Inspired souls, what are you taking away from today’s podcast? This is an incredible conversation with Aaron—covering Mary Magdalene, Jesus’s lost years, the wilderness, the three beliefs. Aaron is such a gift. Thank you for tuning in. I’d like to invite you to join the conversation. I learn so much from your questions in the comments below. It’s enriching; some of the best conversations are there. Let me know what you’re taking away, what sparked your curiosity. Join in below.

Amrit: That’s profound. That’s why we’re communal—even back to what you said about Jesus: communal living, give up what you have, come in shared abundance. We’re meant to be mirrors, have tribe and collective. The dynamics: when the conversation’s happening and someone’s leaning in, you’re more centered on your truth, giving more efficacy. The other forces feel off-center, becoming volatile. There’s pressure from both sides, but one retreats more solid; the other becomes windy and blazy. That’s what you feel energetically in these discourses. The volatility doesn’t feel centered; the centeredness in the truth (still an exploration) feels embodied.

Aaron: Great reflection. You’re right about the metaphysics—how we pick up intuitively, not consciously. It probably has to do with what a teacher emphasizes. I look to Yeshua as the ideal. I love non-duality, a good metaphysical concept, but I don’t grow spiritually unless I love my neighbor as myself. At the end of the day, what reaps rewards is Jesus’s stuff: judge and you’ll be judged; forgive and you’ll be forgiven; the measure you give is the measure you get; love your neighbor as yourself. If you can do that, you’re a true spiritual master—even if you suck at explaining non-duality. You’re leagues beyond someone teaching high concepts. I learned from experience: that person may be unembodied. If people knew how they live normally—not scandalous, but how their ego gets triggered at little stuff—it’s not advanced. Being super defensive—if teaching non-duality, you should be past that. Otherwise, no business teaching what you don’t know through embodied wisdom. You have to live it to get it and teach effectively. A lot of spiritual philosophies get taught irresponsibly—non-duality, law of attraction. If you focus on high esoteric stuff and overlook grounded human aspects like kindness, forgiveness, humility, you’re not on a real path. Speaking as someone who walked that way for long: I thought it was about knowledge. After life handed me my ass in tough catalysts, I realized: I know these concepts, can teach them, but none save me. I have to learn lessons, get present, see what pride this asks me to overcome. Deny myself, take up my cross. Stop feeding ego in selfish patterns. That’s what Jesus’s ministry focused on. That’s the cutting-edge stuff. People who live and embody that carry a calm groundedness. They don’t come off like snake oil salesmen with hype, inflammatory teaching. Not always, but spiritual egos like to sell the sexy thing, promise salvation. What I found: chasing teachings that “change everything”—even non-duality—if I can’t love my neighbor, suffering endures. It’s all about the golden rule—the highest, most advanced concept: love your neighbor as yourself. It defines the entire law—the law of one, the law of the universe, the law of oneness. Do no harm. What you do to another must be done to you—you can’t imbalance the universe. The imbalance falls on the violator. There’s almost no reason to study anything else until you have a handle on the golden rule. You’re wasting time otherwise.

Amrit: Can you help me understand what happened in the Crusades? What were they? They don’t seem aligned to these teachings.

The Crusades and Misinterpretation of Teachings

Aaron: I almost brought up Constantine earlier. In 311 AD, Constantine has this famous vision—funny, you can’t trust people with private visions. They end up charlatans: Joseph Smith, David Koresh, Paul, Constantine. Constantine sees the sign of the cross in the sky during a military battle, hears a voice—purportedly God’s: “By this sign, conquer.” He made the cross the painted symbol on Roman shields, the military banner. They believed wielding the cross gave favor over enemies. They turned Jesus into a battle instrument. They justified the Crusades, holy wars, inquisitions, burnings under the guise: if you don’t believe what we believe, you’re denying Jesus, a heretic Jesus will cast to hell. If these Islamic or Jewish infidels are going to hell anyway, what’s the sin in putting them there sooner? That’s the thought system of the ancient Christian world for justifying war. Jesus, an ardent pacifist who taught enemy love, infinite forgiveness, turning the other cheek, rebuked Peter for the sword, is turned into the greatest military instrument. It’s laughable that this tradition represents Yeshua. This is why the Roman Catholic Church opted for Paul’s theology: salvation by faith alone apart from works. You can’t make a military under Jesus’s ideology. You can’t raise an army with “love your enemies.” You need Paul’s theology, which gives a dividing line: in and out, orthodox and heretic. If you don’t believe in Jesus, you’re on that side—we’re justified in doing whatever.

Amrit: War cries don’t beat a drum when playing a flute. Doesn’t fit the vibe. Historically, so many times the energy or message of Christ is co-opted for personal interest or gain. Do you ever look at it metaphysically—what’s going on? Why would something so true, so pure be so readily co-opted time and again?

Aaron: This topic is important: humanity has failed in every religious tradition by misunderstanding Satan, dark powers, negative polarity, evil. That’s why I love the Law of One—it explains polarity metaphysics well, the contrast like yin and yang. Positive and negative polarities are opposites. The very first known Christian teaching—in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest Christian Jewish text the Didache, the New Testament under Jesus and James—was the two ways. You’ll know it from Jesus: “Narrow is the way that leads to life and few find it; wide is the road to death and many find it.” The two ways: a man can choose the way of life or death, and there’s a great difference. They’re describing polarities. Positive polarity is the way of life—oneness, interconnectivity. Negative is death—separation, conquering, power over. We project our thought system onto the demonic: “They think like us.” Christians notoriously mistake believing the Bible has never been corrupted—no interpolations, nothing erroneous—because God wouldn’t let that happen. Difficult to swallow: why did God let disasters happen but not the Bible change? How does God pick where to interfere with free will? God has hands behind back—not interfering. Gave free will; use it. But there’s a rule set if you want to enter the kingdom after life.

What would a negatively polarized entity—demon—do first if a true godly message from positive polarity comes through a holy person like Yeshua, prophets, Moses? Distort it fast—they can’t afford to lose power over the planet. They control people under ego consciousness: war, tribalism, separation, judging, hating, sick, diseased. This feeds the negative polarity. They want humanity subjugated, unhealthy, poor, unhappy, at war. If a unifying message of light comes through a holy person, a bright light attracts attention in the dark. Demons like moths to a flame try to put it out. The way evil powers do this isn’t how humans expect, especially Christians. They think the devil would interfere with the Bible obviously, spot from a mile away—an obvious villain with twirling mustache. No: the Bible says the devil comes as an angel of light. This is why contradicting beliefs about God: yes, God commanded genocide in the Old Testament—slay women, children. That was God. Then God changed mind with Jesus: love enemies, do no harm. That’s the same God. Because ancient scriptures were distorted—negative polarity influenced scribes to believe God needs blood, is wrathful, commands war. In earliest Jewish Christian texts from Nazarenes, the Clementine writings, there’s a section from Peter attacking God commanding war and peace—split mind. Peter says: if God commands war, who commands peace? If God favors death, who favors life? He explains the ludicrous nature: we believe God has split mind, two-faced—death sometimes, life others. Jewish Christian Nazarenes rejected: God is love, eternal law that cannot change. “I the Lord do not change” (Isaiah 45:5). God cannot change mind. God cannot lose power. Devil isn’t fighting God, sucking children to hell. God has no enemy. These axioms know the creator. Otherwise, negative polarity weaves 10% evil into 90% truth: give 90% truth so you recognize, then “sacrifice a goat.” “All other stuff right, so that must be God.” Tricky.

Amrit: Tricky is the right word. Tricky devil.

Aaron: What do you see the way forward from here? You’ve got beautiful people on The Jesus Way illuminating wisdom and insight. This information is coming more to light. What do you think is happening metaphysically now as we shift into greater appetite for this truth?

The Awakening of Truth

Aaron: I believe it’s the second coming of Christ—that archetype refers to now. For 2,000 years, Jesus’s true teachings—still in the red letters of the canonical gospels, pretty well preserved even in the corrupted Bible—have been forgotten, overlooked, not lived. Because of religion and institutional power. Now with social media, internet, AI, people have less reason to outsource power—they can learn anything online. Quick ChatGPT search pulls up anything. They don’t need to be told what to believe. A lot of what they’re told has cognitive dissonance—I know from experience. Every ex-Christian attests: tons of internal conflict about ideas I couldn’t reconcile. With social media, we’re seeing Christian, atheist, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim belief systems colliding—reactions, debunking, live debates every day. Before internet and social media united us intimately worldwide, everyone lived in their bubble: Muslims in Middle East, Christians in West, Catholics in Europe. Now the bubble’s popped—you confront other systems you cast away as wrong. Those people say you’re the heretic. I’m watching Christian Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant duking it out in rage debates, uncChristlike, because trying to prove which is real. Funny to me and colleagues at The Jesus Way—Cam Waters, James, scholars like Dr. Tabor—all your traditions are fake. No record of Peter going to Rome, starting church, nor Paul. Earliest records of Roman church don’t mention them. Paul writes to Romans—one of his authentic epistles—as outsider trying to get in, convince of theology, sell to them. Romans is longest, best for laying out beliefs—persuading. Already a Christian church at Rome before Paul. No evidence for Catholic claim. But wealth of secular and religious attestation of first church and Christians as Nazarenes.

It’s a funny situation: all truths coming to light. An awakening, like Akashic records unlocking, floodgates opened, truth covered up coming out. That’s what second coming means: awakening to real message of Jesus. This saint sent from God very different than religion told. If we understand that simple way, we can live it together. Universal axioms all cultures agree: do no harm, love neighbor as yourself, forgive. Really a chance for humanity to find unity. Every tradition: Islam, Judaism—many Jews respect Yeshua but don’t believe he was God. Eastern religions—Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism—love Jesus. It’s the second coming: return to his way and message. If each plays small part by living and sharing, we expedite this awakening.

Amrit: Beautiful to hear.

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Amrit: Watching people duke it out online on religion is one factor many people turn away from religion. They see not loving thy neighbor in pursuit of “my truth holier than thou.” It alienates or pushes away. Many people believe in their religion but have their own current—they’ve left 90% not behind, but “I’m not sure, everybody fighting, but it gives connection to center, Lord, Christ, God, Allah, guru.” They found their corner: “I’m spiritual, not religious.” Because religious people prophesying as so religious, the juking feels alien to embodied teachings of spirituality.

The Role of Religion in Modern Society

Aaron: Great finishing note. Main problem with Christian theology: teach Paul’s salvation by grace through faith alone, apart from works. Paul bangs on: by works no one saved. Problem: Jesus quoted five times saying “You will be judged according to your works. I will judge every man according to his works; by your works you shall be judged.” Goes with everything: “I don’t know who you are if you didn’t love the least.” Once or twice in Matthew, once in Matthew, twice in John, three in Revelation—explicit. Earliest record: saved by works. What I love: one passion is near-death experiences (NDEs). When left Christianity, thought maybe no God, atheists right. Went through closet atheist phase—terrified, didn’t want no God. Said if believe in God, good reasons in reality. Reality show me God real. Dived into NDEs: if anyone knows truth about life after death, people who’ve died and come back. Heard some as Christian—Christian NDEs. Never saw irony: no Christian says judged by confessing Jesus as Lord. Never part of equation. Always: watched whole life back. Atheist, Buddhist, Islamic, Christian, Jewish—same. Watch life, see every choice, reckon with soul: “I violated God’s laws, harmed others, lived selfishly—can’t stay knowing that.” Even offered stay dead in heaven or go back, say: “No part wanted back after super heavenly state.” But mistakes—not loving neighbor—conscience forced back: “Can’t end on failure. Want live God’s truth.” Often Jesus meeting in NDE, showing life, tour of heaven: “Want another chance go back love neighbor?” With tears: “Yes, Lord. Thank you.” Jesus: “That’s my gospel.” Sends back. Come back motivated live loving devotion, service to others, God. Service becomes number one. Realize: “Wasn’t good person; life about being good.” Millions NDEs: universe big morality test—of soul’s conscience, sensitivity to truth, God; embody truth. If can’t, want another lifetime—soul part of God can’t satisfy with judgment, selfishness, ego. Soul pure, wants righteousness, truth, love, embody. Who practices sport whole life but never plays under lights? Waste. Want perform—souls feel that, why come here.

Jesus’s soteriology: judged by works—and you’re the one judging yourself. Classic NDE: source, light, God completely non-judgmental—unconditional love. Myself I judged. Couldn’t live with self when saw life, harmed people—had make right. Judged by nobody but yourself. Exactly Jesus: judge you’ll be judged; condemn condemned; forgive forgiven. When look at good moments—forgave, humbled—soul radiant joy, overwhelming fulfillment: “Did it, lived God’s truth.” Most fulfilling feeling. That’s everything for The Jesus Way: can you love neighbor as yourself? Ultimate test.

Amrit: Interviewing Jeffrey Olson on NDE—he reflected meme: at pearly gates, they go “Welcome. How was heaven?”

Aaron: Clever. Saw good one: square image, wide road to destruction—millions walking, “belief in Jesus.” Narrow road to life—three people, “following Jesus.” That’s narrow way: live it, not believe, go church, talk. Really live. How many strive embody teachings as ardently preach? Very few. People living it aren’t preaching, convincing holy by beliefs. Keep quiet, try be righteous—best teaching.

Amrit: Aaron, brother, always honor, pleasure have you grace us. Thank you for time, energy—but you. Appreciate, hold in this—these episodes dear. Audience loves. Means lot share conversations. Link new book, podcast, everything below tune deeper. Thank you.

Aaron: Thank you so much, brother.

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