'Indeed he would.' Suppose a person to censure such meetings—he may be right, but also he may have known them only in their disorderly state, under a drunken master of the feast; and a drunken general or pilot cannot save his army or his ships.
'Certainly.' And we must remember further that we are speaking of the education, not of a trainer, or of the captain of a ship, but of a perfect citizen who knows how to rule and how to obey; and such an education aims at virtue, and not at wealth or strength or mere cleverness.
Is there timber for ship-building?
'There is no pine, nor much cypress; and very little stone-pine or plane wood for the interior of ships.' That is good.
Minos, who was a great sea-king, imposed upon the Athenians a cruel tribute, for in those days they were not a maritime power; they had no timber for ship-building, and therefore they could not 'imitate their enemies'; and better far, as I maintain, would it have been for them to have lost many times over the lives which they devoted to the tribute than to have turned soldiers into sailors.
Naval warfare is not a very praiseworthy art; men should not be taught to leap on shore, and then again to hurry back to their ships, or to find specious excuses for throwing away their arms; bad customs ought not to be gilded with fine words.
And retreat is always bad, as we are taught in Homer, when he introduces Odysseus, setting forth to Agamemnon the danger of ships being at hand when soldiers are disposed to fly.
When a ship is sailing on the sea, vigilance must not be relaxed night or day; and the vessel of state is tossing in a political sea, and therefore watch must continually succeed watch, and rulers must join hands with rulers.
'That is the argument.' But let us apply our images to the Gods—are they the pilots who are won by gifts to wreck their own ships—or the charioteers who are bribed to lose the race—or the generals, or doctors, or husbandmen, who are perverted from their duty—or the dogs who are silenced by wolves?
For the truth is that there are many causes of the dissolution of states; which, like ships or animals, have their cords, and girders, and sinews easily relaxed, and nothing tends more to their welfare and preservation than the supervision of them by examiners who are better than the magistrates; failing in this they fall to pieces, and each becomes many instead of one.
In the case of a ship, for example, the senses of the sailors are added to the intelligence of the pilot, and the two together save the ship and the men in the ship.
Any foreigner might visit Athens; her ships found a way to the most distant shores; the riches of the whole earth poured in upon her.
The islanders before the inhabitants of the continent, the maritime cities before the inland, the Corinthians and Athenians before the Spartans, were compelled to fit out ships: last of all the Spartans, by the pressure of the Peloponnesian War, were driven to establish a naval force, which, after the battle of Aegospotami, for more than a generation commanded the Aegean.
Do you not see that a drunken pilot or a drunken ruler of any sort will ruin ship, chariot, army—anything, in short, of which he has the direction?
At present, when we speak in terms of praise or blame about the bringing-up of each person, we call one man educated and another uneducated, although the uneducated man may be sometimes very well educated for the calling of a retail trader, or of a captain of a ship, and the like.
The Athenians were under the impression that the whole expedition was directed against them, in consequence of the battle of Marathon; and hearing of the bridge over the Hellespont, and the canal of Athos, and the host of ships, considering that there was no salvation for them either by land or by sea, for there was no one to help them, and remembering that in the first expedition, when the Persians destroyed Eretria, no one came to their help, or would risk the danger of an alliance with them, they thought that this would happen again, at least on land; nor, when they looked to the sea, could they descry any hope of salvation; for they were attacked by a thousand vessels and more.
ATHENIAN: Well, but let me ask, how is the country supplied with timber for ship-building?
CLEINIAS: There is no fir of any consequence, nor pine, and not much cypress; and you will find very little stone-pine or plane-wood, which shipwrights always require for the interior of ships.
I was saying that the imitation of enemies was a bad thing; and I was thinking of a case in which a maritime people are harassed by enemies, as the Athenians were by Minos (I do not speak from any desire to recall past grievances); but he, as we know, was a great naval potentate, who compelled the inhabitants of Attica to pay him a cruel tribute; and in those days they had no ships of war as they now have, nor was the country filled with ship-timber, and therefore they could not readily build them.
Better for them to have lost many times over the seven youths, than that heavy-armed and stationary troops should have been turned into sailors, and accustomed to be often leaping on shore, and again to come running back to their ships; or should have fancied that there was no disgrace in not awaiting the attack of an enemy and dying boldly; and that there were good reasons, and plenty of them, for a man throwing away his arms, and betaking himself to flight,—which is not dishonourable, as people say, at certain times.
You may learn the evil of such a practice from Homer, by whom Odysseus is introduced, rebuking Agamemnon, because he desires to draw down the ships to the sea at a time when the Achaeans are hard pressed by the Trojans,—he gets angry with him, and says:
'Who, at a time when the battle is in full cry, biddest to drag the well-benched ships into the sea, that the prayers of the Trojans may be accomplished yet more, and high ruin fall upon us.
For the Achaeans will not maintain the battle, when the ships are drawn into the sea, but they will look behind and will cease from strife; in that the counsel which you give will prove injurious.'
Moreover, naval powers which owe their safety to ships, do not give honour to that sort of warlike excellence which is most deserving of it.
But as a ship sailing on the sea has to be watched night and day, in like manner a city also is sailing on a sea of politics, and is liable to all sorts of insidious assaults; and therefore from morning to night, and from night to morning, rulers must join hands with rulers, and watchers with watchers, receiving and giving up their trust in a perpetual succession.
As the shipwright first lays down the lines of the keel, and thus, as it were, draws the ship in outline, so do I seek to distinguish the patterns of life, and lay down their keels according to the nature of different men's souls; seeking truly to consider by what means, and in what ways, we may go through the voyage of life best.
ATHENIAN: Let this, then, be deemed one of the causes which prevent states from pursuing in an efficient manner the art of war, or any other noble aim, but makes the orderly and temperate part of mankind into merchants, and captains of ships, and servants, and converts the valiant sort into thieves and burglars, and robbers of temples, and violent, tyrannical persons; many of whom are not without ability, but they are unfortunate.
Will he say that they are like pilots, who are themselves turned away from their duty by 'libations of wine and the savour of fat,' and at last overturn both ship and sailors?
For the truth is, that there are many elements of dissolution in a state, as there are also in a ship, or in an animal; they all have their cords, and girders, and sinews—one nature diffused in many places, and called by many names; and the office of examiner is a most important element in the preservation and dissolution of states.
ATHENIAN: Yes, indeed; but with what is that intellect concerned which, mingling with the senses, is the salvation of ships in storms as well as in fair weather?
In a ship, when the pilot and the sailors unite their perceptions with the piloting mind, do they not save both themselves and their craft?
Describe one of the ships of the air that was used during the highest period of mechanical development in Atlantis.
In those ancient days, large planet-ships housing many beings traveled slowly between star systems.
Regular circuits of travel took ships through the Sirian system and the local star neighborhood, including your Sun.
Whenever one of these planet-ships arrived, humanity was influenced in some way, in science, art, or philosophy.
These circuits were predictable in the ancient days, so people on Earth always knew when the next planet-ship was coming.
She lands in Egypt (part of Atlantis before submersion) with a small group in a ship.
In the last days, recognizing their end, the Atlanteans left in great ships, while others perished in the destruction.
D: I thought if you were going to have a massive project like that on Earth, people would be able to see all these ships.
No, you can't see our ships.
At some point, the scientists will be able to determine that we are in the atmosphere, and they'll see our ships.
They will have machines and devices so they can determine where our ships are.
The group expanded, and Atlantis ships later arrived to observe.
Not literal ships, but vehicles of mind, mantra, and energy.
They harnessed plant life-forces for technology, like powering air-ships, and human bodies remained plastic, adapting to inner changes.
One of my crew left me and went to that island. He used the stone circle to go through the chasm and when he got there, he realized that the earlier colonizers left all their equipment. He was able to use a lot of that combined with our technology that he recovered from the ship when he starts his new civilization.
He uses light-ships (otevans) to transport high-grade spirits, implementing a grading system to free them from druj bondage and advance their spiritual progress.
The God oversees the resurrection of souls, delivering high-grade angels to Etherean realms via light-ships (otevans) and managing the spiritual progress of Earth’s heavens (Book of God’s Word, Chapter V).
Faithists were instructed to build or prepare an "arc" (vessel or fleet of ships) for survival.
He uses light-ships (otevans) to transport high-grade spirits, implementing a grading system to assess their spiritual progress.
He uses light-ships (otevans) to transport millions of high-grade spirits to regions like Nesact and Vohu, ensuring their spiritual progress.
He establishes grades to assess the spiritual progress of angels, ensuring that those ready are transported to Etherean realms via light-ships (otevans).
Radiance and Power: As an Etherean God, Sethantes wields immense spiritual power, manifested through his command of ethereal light and fleets of light-ships.
In the "Book of Osire," he delivers millions of souls to Etherean regions like Vohu, using his fleet of light-ships (otevans) to transport them.
For instance, Thor delivers millions of angels to Etherean regions like Nesact and Hoitsa, using his light-ships to transport them.
As an Etherean God, Thor wields immense spiritual power, including the ability to manipulate ethereal light and command vast fleets of light-ships.
Delivers millions of angels to Etherean realms like Nesact and Hoitsa via light-ships, advancing spiritual resurrection.
Toltecs built massive cities, used air-ships, explosives, and advanced agriculture.
A sage used a 100-layer glass lens to view a battle on Mars between red-robed warriors and ape-like Neptune forces, showing advanced ships and thought-form soldiers.
Jehovih’s breath guided the ships into four fleets—Guatama, Shem, Jaffet’h, Ham—and a fifth, Yista.
He’s the creator of “wide and many worlds,” a universal force whose voice from the “ship of fire” unites tribes under one truth.
A dazzling light and a "ship of fire" herald Egoquim’s message, tasking Eawahtah with rejecting false gods like I’tura and teaching his people writing, worship, and unity.
Divine Encounter: Moses hears Elohim from the bush and Sinai, a cosmic voice echoed by Egoquim’s ship of fire speaking to Eawahtah.
Archaeological Continuity: Pit houses (10,000 BCE) evolve into kivas—Clovis-era (11,500 BP, 9,500 BCE) post-flood structures suggest survivors (Bashar’s “great ships”)—Atlantis’s legacy in Americas (9,650 BCE).
Atlantis: Bashar’s ships—nature’s wisdom (drums)—seed Americas—kiva-like rites in tribes—Golokhvastoff’s provoked fall births renewal.
Clovis (~9,500 BCE): Post-flood—pit houses evolve—kiva rituals emerge—Bashar’s ships/Clovis as Atlantis’s echo—twins in Hopi lore from ~10,000 BCE chaos.
This mirrors Atlantis—Golokhvastoff’s twin ritual provokes chaos—Bashar’s nature-tuned priests defy Taurus meteors (10,800 BCE)—flood (9,650 BCE) sinks it—ships seed Americas.
In its “last days,” priests foresaw the end—some fled in “great ships,” others perished (~9,650 BCE flood).
The Younger Dryas fits: 10,800 BCE Taurus meteors (fire) provoke chaos—priests resist—9,650 BCE floods seal it—ships escape, seeding Clovis-era Americas (11,500 BP).
By 9,650 BCE, ice melts flood the coasts—Atlantis sinks, but ships sail off, carrying wisdom to the Americas.
Science hints at survivors—Clovis culture (~11,500 BP) emerges post-flood—Bashar’s ships might be real.
Chiloé’s isolation preserved this purity, resisting Christian syncretism (e.g., Chile’s Caleuche ghost ship blends Huilliche and Spanish elements, but Trentren-Caicai remains indigenous).
Their ships are described as magical, requiring no helmsmen and traveling as fast as thought.
Alcinous provides Odysseus with a ship and crew to return to Ithaca, marking the final stage of his journey.
“Suddenly Golden ships appeared in the sky.