They lived east of the Jordan, next to their kin the Moabites.
On The origins of two great nations through Ishmael and Isaac, both blessed by the divine I read Lot's rescue from Sodom as the start of new lineages, and the Moabites and Ammonites, later rivals of Israel, as part of the same shared human story.
When Lot departed out of Zoar, there went with him two tribes, and there were born of the house of Lot, offspring to the two tribes who accompanied him, and these became the nations in after years known as Moabites and Ammonites, who were of the Foneceans, as their names show, and they followed the doctrines of Zarathustra.
Rephaites notes that the Moabites called the Rephaim "Emim" and the Ammonites called them "Zamzummim".
In the video The Laws for Humans, Mauro Biglino argues that a group of Elohim gave Moabites, Ammonites, Amalekites, Edomites and Israelites their own rules.
Moabites: Children of Lot, Chemosh and the Land of the Emim
The Moabites live on the edge of the Bible's story, east of the Jordan, always next to Israel and never quite part of it.
Chronological Nations and Tribes lists the Moabites and Ammonites as descendants of Lot, living east of the Jordan River at the same time as the Israelites.
When Lot departed out of Zoar, there went with him two tribes, and there were born of the house of Lot, offspring to the two tribes who accompanied him, and these became the nations in after years known as Moabites and Ammonites
The Moabites did not settle an empty land.
On Emites, the Emim were a people "great, and many, and tall" who were defeated by the Moabites, who then took their land.
Rephaites explains the names: the Moabites called these giants Emim, the Ammonites called them Zamzummim, and both were counted among the Rephaim.
King Josiah of Judah describes him as the national god of the Moabites, associated with war and destruction, and The Bible: Blend and unify 'the Gods' into One links him with child sacrifice.
Baal adds the Baal-Peor episode of Numbers 25, where Israelites join the Moabite worship of Baal of Peor.
The Mesha Stele brings the Moabites' own voice into it.
On Elohim, Yahweh is one Elohim overseeing only the family of Jacob, while others like Chemosh ruled peoples such as the Moabites.
In the video The Laws for Humans he says a group of Elohim gave the Moabites, Ammonites, Amalekites, Edomites and Israelites each their own rules and regulations.
An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into YHWH’s assembly; even to the tenth generation shall no one belonging to them enter into YHWH’s assembly forever,
And one Moabite woman became an ancestor of kings.
The Old Testament - The Hebrew Bible summarizes the Book of Ruth, in which a Moabite widow joins Israel and becomes an ancestor of King David through Boaz.
For every page I tagged with Moabites, see the Moabites tag archive.
The rule bars the child of a forbidden union, the Ammonite and the Moabite from the assembly, even to the tenth generation:
An Ammonite or a Moabite shall not enter into YHWH’s assembly; even to the tenth generation shall no one belonging to them enter into YHWH’s assembly forever,
It also limits the Ammonite and Moabite ban to men, while their women are permitted at once (Sefaria).
At Shittim, Israelite men join Moabite women in the worship of Baal Peor (Numbers 25:1–3).
Ruth the Moabite.
Deuteronomy 23:3 bars Moabites from the assembly.
The Mishnah's later reading, that the ban covers Moabite men and not women, fits this case exactly.
Ehud, a left-handed Benjamite, killed Eglon, king of Moab, after eighteen years of Moabite rule, and Moab was subdued (Judges 3:12 to 30); see also the Moabites.
The Bible usually just says "Moab" for the Moabites.
After he escapes Sodom, Lot becomes the father of the Moabites and Ammonites through his daughters (Genesis 19:30–38).
Lot and his daughters mark the start of the Moabites and Ammonites.
Later the Moabites and Ammonites appear as rivals of the Israelites.
Jephthah, in a diplomatic argument, acknowledges the god Chemosh, worshipped by the Moabites: "Will you not take what your god Chemosh gives you?
When Lot departed out of Zoar, there went with him two tribes, and there were born of the house of Lot, offspring to the two tribes who accompanied him, and these became the nations in after years known as Moabites and Ammonites, who were of the Foneceans, as their names show, and they followed the doctrines of Zarathustra.
Chemosh: The Moabites worshipped Chemosh as their principal god.
The Moabite Stone (Mesha Stele) contains a record of Moabite victories attributed to Chemosh.
Moabites, Ammonites: Descendants of Lot, living east of the Jordan River in the time of the Israelites.
See Moabites and Ammonites.
Biglino notes that this aligns with the general view he has been presenting for years: that a group of Elohim gave various populations—Moabites, Ammonites, Amalekites, Edomites, and Israelites—a series of rules and regulations, which also included practical teachings such as metallurgy.
Description: Chemosh was the national god of the Moabites, associated with war and destruction.
They don't want you to see their original Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, Syrians, Chaldeans, Cushites, Hamites, and Moabites, and the list goes on and on.
In the Bible, the Baal-Peor incident (Numbers 25) follows a similar pattern: Israelites join Moabite worship of Baal of Peor (a local fertility/storm deity, often linked to sexual rites).
There were various regional variations of Baal, and the name Baal was often combined with other titles and local attributes, such as Baal Hadad (the storm god in Mesopotamia), Baal Zephon (associated with a specific mountain), and Baal Peor (a Moabite deity).
Also known as the Moabite Stone, this artifact from the 9th century BCE mentions victories over Israel and possibly refers to the House of David.
The Mesha Stele, also known as the Moabite Stone was discovered in 1868 in Dhiban (modern-day Jordan) and contains an inscription that commemorates Mesha's victories over the Israelites and his building projects.
Mesha claims to have defeated Israel and regained control of Moabite territories, including the city of Nebo.
Chemosh is the national deity of the Moabites, a people who lived in the region of modern-day Jordan during biblical times.
Role in Moabite Religion
Chemosh was the primary god of the Moabites, and his worship was central to their religious and cultural identity.
He was considered the protector and patron of the Moabite nation.
Notably, the Israelites are said to have encountered the worship of Chemosh during their conflicts with the Moabites.
In Judges 11:24, Jephthah, a judge of Israel, acknowledges Chemosh as the god of the Moabites in a diplomatic context, illustrating the recognition of Chemosh's importance to Moab.
The stele describes how Chemosh allowed Moab to be subjugated by Israel due to his anger but later empowered Mesha to overthrow Israelite rule and reclaim Moabite territories.
Chemosh is often depicted as a god of war and victory, reflecting the martial character of Moabite society.
Overall, Chemosh was a central figure in the religious life of the Moabites, symbolizing their national identity and divine support in their historical and military endeavors.
The reverence for Chemosh among the Moabites is a testament to the rich and diverse religious landscape of the ancient Near East.
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2 places the Emims in the land the LORD gave "unto the children of Lot for a possession" (Deuteronomy 2:9, KJV), the land of the Moabites.
The next verse says they "also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims" (Deuteronomy 2:11, KJV).
Emim was the Moabite name for the people the Hebrew text counts among the Repha'im.
Deuteronomy implies that the Moabites took their land.
Hertz, in The Pentateuch and Haftoras (1936), renders Rashi's reading as "the dreaded ones," and give the singular Ema or Emma (אימה) the meaning "horror" or "terror." Albert Barnes held that the Moabites gave the people this name.
The Zuzim are mentioned alongside the Emim, a tribe later identified in the Book of Deuteronomy as the Moabite term for the Rephaim, a race of giants or mighty people in ancient texts.
(The Emites used to live there—a people strong and numerous, and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites.
The Moabites called them "Emim." The Ammonites called them "Zamzummim."
Yahweh is one such Elohim, overseeing only the family of Jacob (the Sons of Israel), while others like Chemosh ruled groups such as the Moabites.