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Matias de Stefano on Pluto in Aquarius

Emilio Ortiz asks Matías de Stefano about Pluto entering Aquarius. De Stefano calls that shift a slow pressure that drags hidden material into the open, and he expects about twenty years of sudden strain around tools, life off this planet, and how people govern. He does not want the strain spent on hating the age just finished. Groups still attack one another, he says, because they think as mammals, whereas a human mind would share news the way a body does and would seek balance rather than perfection. At twelve, he says, guides promised memories covering twelve thousand years, and a memory is assembled data rather than a picture in the head. Cultures he calls Atlantean matched the planet’s thinking. Christian plots should not be pasted onto other minds. Visitors, in a talk he cites, did not raise the old monuments. Gold along the Nile and in Mesopotamia signaled eternity. Bir Tawil, between Egypt and Sudan, is his sacred ground where no country’s statute applies. He offers this as memory and astrology.

Key points

  • Pluto’s entry into Aquarius is his name for about twenty years of forced change.
  • He asks people not to spend that era resenting the age that came before.
  • Mammal habits, in his image, are why groups still fight, while a human mind would share information.
  • Balance, not a perfect ecology, is his picture, and the unconscious is given a job.
  • He says that at twelve he was told memories of twelve thousand years would return.
  • Atlantean colonies, unbuilt monuments, Egyptian and Mesopotamian gold, and Bir Tawil are parts of that memory.

Short quotes

go in into 20 years where everything will be killing us constantly in the most unexpected

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He expects two decades of sudden pressure rather than a gentle passage. Watch at 8:58

don't think as humans we think as mammals which is very different because a tree a

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Fighting, he says, comes from mammal habits rather than from a human mind. Watch at 17:34

for Perfection is about balance most of the things in this planet has balance

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He prefers balance on the planet to a hunt for a perfect state. Watch at 22:14

would start remembering the last 12,000 years of history and so many memories came back

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He says a childhood message promised memories covering twelve thousand years, and that they came. Watch at 26:18

of the civilizations that managed to adjust Humanity to how the planet is thinking that's why they were able to

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Some older cultures, in his account, lasted because they matched the planet’s own mind. Watch at 42:28

the will and it's a territory that doesn't belong to any country International laws doesn't apply

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He points to ground he says no country owns and no international statute covers. Watch at 1:10:36

Video by Emilio Ortiz. Watch on YouTube.