Table of Contents
Introduction
The discussion between Matías De Stefano and Robert Grant revolves around consciousness, spirituality, and enlightenment, focusing on the complex relationship between human awareness, the universe, and the role of duality in human existence. They explore various spiritual experiences, ancient practices, and how science and spirituality can merge to bring a deeper understanding of existence.
Robert’s Welcome
Robert opens by welcoming Matías, who is in Esalen, Big Sur, traveling as part of his spiritual work. They discuss Matías’ recent travels to Mexico and Bali, where he engaged in spiritual ceremonies.
Events in Mexico
In Mexico, Matías led an event related to the asteroid impact that wiped out the dinosaurs, symbolizing humanity’s rise. The event was about connecting the two main systems in the human brain: the reptilian and mammalian brains. This connection is crucial for finding harmony and unlocking human potential.
Bali Experience
Matías shared his experience in Bali, where he was invited to participate in a spiritual ceremony. However, what was meant to be a heart-opening experience turned into a difficult 16-hour spiritual journey. He confronted dark energies and systems that needed to be cleaned in Bali, particularly on the day of a solar eclipse. Matías explained that Bali acts as a cleansing space for energy from Asia, and his intense experience there was part of his spiritual mission.
Conditional and Unconditional Love
Robert and Matías delve into a philosophical discussion about the nature of love, focusing on the difference between conditional and unconditional love. Matías explains that relationships, whether between partners or friends, are based on conditional love because they are built on mutual needs. Unconditional love, on the other hand, is the absence of need. When individuals remove the need for something from others, they move toward unconditional love. Conditionality exists in the universe and serves as a structure for evolution.
Chakras and Duality
Robert ties the discussion to the chakra system, explaining how each chakra corresponds to a level of conditional or unconditional love. The root chakra is the most dualistic, while higher chakras like the heart start to balance conditionality and unconditionality. This balance is important for understanding the universe and our place in it.
The Purpose of Duality
Matías and Robert emphasize that duality, often viewed as negative, is essential for creation. It is through duality, such as the relationship between good and evil or light and dark, that movement and growth occur. Rather than eliminating duality, the goal is to bring awareness to it and use it constructively.
Science and Spirituality
They explore how science and spirituality intersect, using mathematics and geometry as a bridge between the two. Robert discusses how emotional states can be understood mathematically, particularly through the ratios found in music and pyramidal structures. These ratios, according to Robert, are also present in ancient structures like pyramids, which reflect a deeper connection to universal laws.
Building a Conscious Future
Matías reflects on the future of humanity and technology. He expresses concern about advancing technology, such as free energy and space colonization, without the spiritual maturity to use it responsibly. If humanity does not learn to “hold space” properly—essentially, manage its spiritual energy—then these advancements could cause more harm than good. This inability to hold space reflects humanity’s disconnection from the Earth and other life forms.
The Role of UFOs and Consciousness
In a thought-provoking point, Matías explains that extraterrestrial beings who travel through space do so because they have learned to “become space.” They have mastered the ability to hold space, which allows them to transcend physical limitations. This idea contrasts with the common assumption that consciousness is something external to be controlled, rather than something intrinsic to the self.
Conclusion
Robert and Matías conclude their conversation by emphasizing the importance of balancing awareness and integrating both the physical and spiritual aspects of existence. They agree that the current global challenges are rooted in a lack of consciousness and an overemphasis on duality. As more people awaken to these truths, they believe humanity will be able to live in harmony with the universe and transcend current limitations.
